Hand to Shoulder

Pitchers and catchers report February 14th.

While the media melodrama surrounding the “revelatory” Joe Torre book pitches loudly like an Italian opera, that tome essentially outlines old storylines.

A baseball offseason continues.

The NY Post picks up the trail again, quoting Brian Cashman on the progress of Torre-era stalwarts Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera, both of whom closed their 2008 seasons on the operating table with open shoulders:

“It’s very early in the process for those guys,” Cashman said yesterday. “I do have concerns just because I have a closer who we desperately need who’s coming off of shoulder surgery, no matter how minor it may be…And I have a catcher who is a perennial All-Star, one of the premier players at that position in this game and a potential Hall of Fame candidate, here that we definitely need to come back, and he’s rehabbing a significant shoulder surgery.”

Cashman said Rivera hasn’t begun throwing yet, and that Posada did some throwing yesterday.

“So far, so good,” the GM said. “[But] when you get to the level of real functional activity … that’s when you really get a chance to get a better feel for this stuff.”

Cashman delivers a rather politely-worded description of their progress, perhaps to pay some quick homage to the winning tradition that both of these players have abided by their entire careers, a winning tradition whose image has been somewhat muddied as of late.

But in and between the lines of Brian’s respectful remarks, some real concerns come to bear.  Mariano turns 40 this year, and although he looked as good last season as he ever has, the physical effects of aging can be as sudden and cumulative as they can be gradual.  The age factor is feared mostly because the age factor is unpredictable.  Although Mariano has kept his annual innings count in the low 70′s and his career longevity should not be projected using the same metrics as a starter [who heaves 150+ innings of fastball year after year], he is coming up on a career milestone for the modern closer.  Looking at the top 15 all-time saves leaders, a straightforward calculation of average career longevity is 16 years:

    Career
Rank Closer Saves Start Finish Total Years
1 Trevor Hoffman 554 1993 active 15
2 Mariano Rivera 482 1995 active 13
3 Lee Smith 478 1980 1997 17
4 John Franco 424 1984 2005 21
5 Dennis Eckersley 390 1975 1998 23
6 Billy Wagner 385 1995 active 13
7 Jeff Reardon 367 1979 1994 15
8 Troy Percival 352 1995 active 13
9 Randy Myers 347 1985 1998 13
10 Rollie Fingers 341 1968 1985 17
11 John Wetteland 330 1989 2000 11
12 Roberto Hernández 326 1991 2007 16
13 José Mesa 321 1987 2007 20
14 Todd Jones 319 1993 2008 15
15 Rick Aguilera 318 1985 2000 15
        Average Longevity 16

Notice that the players driving that average upward were either old-school iron horses [Eckersley], or had tailed off in effectiveness significantly at the ends of their careers [Franco & Mesa]. 

All told, one can, at best, expect 1 or 2  more effective years from Mariano Rivera without being overenthusiastic.  This underscores the importance of assigning a role to 23-year old Joba Chamberlain, who has both the electric stuff of a starter and the aggressive mentality of a modern closer, and whose role has been craftily hidden from view by the Yankee organization.  Fan opinions are divided.  Some say, “stretch out his innings and start him”, some say, “work him out of the pen as a game-shortener”.  In both scenarios, many things have to happen before Joba’s role is etched in stone.  He wouldn’t supplant Mariano as the closer, if that is the plan, until the Sandman falls hard.  With a multi-year rotation front of CC, AJ, and Wang firming up, and a minor league brimming with untapped reservoirs of talent, Joba probably wouldn’t be officialized as a starter unless 2 or 3 of the already-affirmed starters in the larger organization were suddenly ineffective.  In any case, being able to play a threat-worthy wildcard can disrupt the greater plans of opponents, if managed correctly. 

Although Brian Cashman dedicated the most elaborate language of the quote to Jorge Posada, the recovery of Jorge’s shoulder actually doesn’t seem as critical an issue as Cashman made it seem.  The acquisition of Teixeira and the cramming of the roster with professional bats in the outfield ladels Posada’s potential offensive performance into the gravy boat.  And if he can’t throw, chances are he can’t bat either, so the line at the DH counter won’t be effected by a finished shoulder.  Bottom line is that the Yanks won’t be short on offense in Posada’s absence.  They won’t be short on defense, either – say what you will about Jose Molina’s bat, he cut down 44% of the run game last year [41% for his career] and the pitchers love him.  It’s not unreasonable at all to see the Yanks fielding a patchwork of Jose Molina and any number of bolt-on defense-oriented catchers [Varitek, anyone?] to buy time until the excellent prospects ripen on the vine.  Recall that in the championship years of  ’96 and ’97, the Yanks platooned and transitioned until Posada broke out with a big year in ’98, when he installed himself as an offensive pillar.

Is Brian Cashman “desperate” for his closer, and if so, why communicate that through the media?  Is his “potential Hall of Fame candidate” catcher the lynchpin of a hidden strategy?

I spoke to a professional card player a week ago, who happens to have a degree in psychology, and the conversation turned to the Art of the Tell.  This card player, it seemed, has become pretty adept at reading the body language from the tips of the fingers to the tops of the head to the stand of the shoulders.  “99% of the time,” he advised, “the good player will show a strong tell when they are actually weak, and show a weak tell when they are actually strong.” 

Baseball is a game of reading the signs, parsing meaning from a movement of the hand to the mouth, a tip of the cap, the hand touches the shoulder – and that is the sign.  What’s Brian’s next move? 

Pitchers and catchers report February 14th.

UPDATE:  The official Yankee site yields some more quotes.  Cashman on Mo and Jorge:

“We’re keeping our fingers crossed,” Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said. “We will definitely go into Spring Training with concerns about the health of two extremely important positions on any team that wants to get to the promised land.”

On Matsui:

Cashman also noted that Hideki Matsui was rehabbing well before returning to Japan for the winter. The 34-year-old outfielder underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee in late September after the Yankees were eliminated from playoff contention.  Matsui is expected to be ready for the start of Spring Training. Cashman said he had less [sic. fewer] concerns about Matsui, since he had a similar procedure on his right knee after the 2007 season.

If you recall, Matsui was not healthy enough to complete a 2008 campaign.  Godzira!~

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Comments

  1. LB: here is my entry for most unknowledgable baseball fan on the earth……jrz: Please don´t provide me with the link. I have a copy downloaded from MLB of the Yankees pitching stats for 2008. Those are more important to me than your link and is what every Yankee fan should be looking at instead of listening to all of your misleading information which you use to support your arguments in this forum everyday. Fact is that there were a total of 42 Saves by Yankee relievers last year. Now Mariano Rivera is not a middle reliever, he is the closer. So he must be removed form this argument. Out of the 42 total saves, Mariano is credited for 39 of those saves. The middle relievers only got credited for 3 total saves. 1 for Bruney, 1 to Farnsworth and 1 to Ramirez. This according to MLB and not jrz or M Salles. So much for your mythical lies and stats. So my suggestion to you is that you download the stats and stick with what they say then you will be more credible.

    Posted by msalles on Jan 27, 2009 10:26 AM

    I dont know what sport this cat is watchin…

  2. He’s a fucking suicide bomber. If he didn’t actually work for the DN as I suspect he would’ve been tossed a long time ago for the insults alone. Every word is typed to make you feel or seem like the idiot:

    “So my suggestion to you is that you download the stats and stick with what they say then you will be more credible.”

    What a clown. He re-writes statistics. Tell him to come down here and shovel some of that shit.

  3. Oh wait, that’s MSalles, I thought it was chuckles.

    Oh yeah, MSalles took a few punches too many to the head.

  4. hey JRZ, look at the Boston Herald link to the right. Pedroia’s brother has been charged with child molestation.

    The News hasn’t picked it up and if Lupica has his way, the News won’t pick it up. It would just be proper journalism if you posted it in the discussions:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1148049&srvc=rss

  5. Field trip?

  6. I am up….where ya wanna go?

    jrzinbatonrouge January 27, 2009 at 1:10 pm
  7. The Boston Herald’s heating up, that’s where the article is, very convenient seeing I have a login there already….I’ll be up there later this afternoon – guess around 2:30 because I have to make the donuts, as Budds puts it.

  8. see ya there

    jrzinbatonrouge January 27, 2009 at 1:27 pm
  9. Good Article Libs. Nice graphics on the closers, and the story line. I’m on the Worried about Mo and Jorge barge. We have that guy Cash in case Posada becomes the bullpen coach. Or We have a lot of men on the farm with good arms, to put in a package for Saltalamacchia in Texas. Also that kid Frankie Cervelli, who the Rays ran over might pan out. Those guys at Fangraphs have Joba mathematically inserted in the rotation, and the guys at RAB will kick the shit out of you if you even think the kid belongs in the pen. I hope mo is gonna be ok. hahaha you boys headin up town for some action. Sorry to hear about The Paper boy’s brother, between that and Farmer Jerry throwin Wilpon under the bus, things are starting to heat up. Thanks for the link

  10. LB: If you get a chance, check out pabes 28, 29 and 30 of the Torre article on TDN.Salles is now a AAA 2nd bagger and I run with bin laden in my spare time.The cat is off his fuckin rocker.

    jrzinbatonrouge January 27, 2009 at 9:53 pm
  11. I thought he was a birddog in Nicaragua…that guy types in from the hospital bed every night, I’m starting to feel sorry for the guy.

  12. Hey Sal, it’s you and me baby, guns blazing, the Zulus have surrounded us but I still believe Joba belongs in the pen.

  13. Overheard today on the Herald:

    “hugesoxfan:
    If dustys brother wanted to play w/ an 8 year old boys body why didnt he just ask dustin if he could touch him?

    #509240 – Jan 27, 2009 2:54 PM EST”

  14. hahahahaha. toucha, toucha, touch hahaha

  15. that’s JRZ. he logs in as “hugesoxfan”. That’s rich.

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