Both Yanks and Mets lost with somewhat depleted squads.
ARod has a cyst (wink wink nudge nudge) in his hip, and he won’t be playing in the WBC. No problems there, better he rests a boo boo now than a week into the season). Thanks to the Night Crew for the heads up.
Meanwhile, Santana’s condition has been upgraded, and may be ready for the Home Opener at Citi Field. Told ya so, Metsies, now come in from your ledges.
Looks like Manny’s back in Dodger Blue. As long as he’s not in the AL, I’m on board:
The two sides were in agreement on a two-year, $45 million contract with a player opt-out clause after the first year, but were in dispute over the deferral of salary that would discount the present-day value of the total compensation by $1.5 million (the interest in deferring payment over five years).
Evidently, the Bank of Manny is cracking down on shady loans to iffy enterprises. Does he look like a charitable institution? Good for you, ManRam.
I dont think so Lib. He was worth it to me. He helped the Mets get back to respectability and others followed.
You have a point, the Mets turned around a bit.
But I wouldn’t make Pedro the picture on the wall, all I’m saying. A team wins, a team wins.
I just saw the DN article about A Rod saying he wishes Jose Reyes led off for Yanks. There is not a shoe too big for his mouth. It’s a good thing he can hit a baseball because there wouldn’t be much else in life he’d be qualified to do. What a maroon.
Open mouth, insert foot.
That’s why I created ARod’s 3 golden rules for his life and for all those who expect anything more:
1] hit HRs
2] get laid
3] play 3rd base
Those 3 things he can do with regular excellence. All the rest, ehhh don’t put his picture on teh wall.
Tommorow we’ll hear how he picks his nose lefty while wiping righty.
Pedro helped the Mets with their Latin American strategy. I am not referring to the present Mets but their progress in developing ballplayers there. After the first season though he was useless (17-15, 48 starts=$40 mill)
Yeah Kev but he’ll wipe his hands on Jeter when he’s done and that’s the problem.
Yeah. I think he was trying to be complimentary of Jose and thats the way it came out. Media ran with it. He shouldnt speak but the sick bastard likes the drama even if he doesnt say so.
He has a whole passive aggressive thing happening, yes. MVP #4.
Pedro was good for the team. Its a shame his body didnt hold up longer. Oh well. I always gave him extra rope because of who he was. He deserved/earned it.
Tommy Lasorda will be at the Empire State Building tomorrow morning to open the WBC.
I thought Lasorda was moving Manny in tomorrow?
That still makes me laugh. And the “Manny, would you like a cannoli? They’re terrific!” line.
Kev- I saw Pedro his first year with the Mets and he was ridiculous. If he didn’t break down it could have been a great four years. He was unhittable thru 7, willie took him out and the bullpen blew a 3 or 4 run lead. Sound familiar?
“In celebration of the 2009 World Baseball Classic, Tommy Lasorda will host the lighting ceremony at the Empire State Building. Tommy will ceremoniously flip the Empire State Building switch and turn the building the official Baseball Classic colors to kick off the world’s premier international baseball tournament. There will be photo opportunities in the ESB 5th Avenue lobby and on the world-famous 86th floor Observatory.
classic Lasorda – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPx327SbBQ0
Sorry guys, had to deal with the assholes that were kicking Warner to the curb for the last couple days. They felt that, as a Christian, he was a phoney for asking for what he deserved.
Did someone say Blazing Saddles ?
Hey shoe, yeah J.V. Cain was a heartbreaker. Not only did he have some skills, but he was supposedly a great kid.
I just found the game August 20, 2005. Mets were winning 8-0 after six. Pedro comes out and the Nationals put up 6 in the seventh and 2 in the ninth. Mets won in 10 but bullpen hosed Pedro.
Pesky Nats. JJ Poo is a big mother. KRod is fierce. I think you guys addressed the problem there.
Kev- Thanks for the laugh. He wouldn’t have gotten the “Dugout Wizard” job if the producers ever heard that.
“I just farted and it smells like Slim Fast”- right before the playoffs.
That’s class.
That is a keeper Kev.
Guys, I havesomething for yas. One of the best threads I’ve seen. You won’t have time to read it now, but it’s quite informative.
It’s called the greatest season ever, and everyone weighs in on the single greatest hitting and pitching seasons ever.
The consensus is Ruth in ’21, but a lot of guys add other great seasons by Cobb, Gehrig, Musial, Gibson, Guidry ( which yours truly offered ).
It’s worth a look.
Hey Lou thanks for the links- lol
“That’s Hedley”
yabba dabba dooooooo
“dugout wizard”. holy flashback. loved that show.
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=611288
This might help.
Sorry.
I bet if you transported Pujols or A Rod back in time they would put up monster numbers too…..except they would be playing for the Monarchs or Grays.
Lou I like the Guidry call. Sort of a bridge between generations. Also before Rockies,Marlins, Rays, D-Backs
Levi, the segregation argument is what makes it so subjective.
You’re right though, great players would be great players in any generation.
The Ruth argument I find interesting is whether or not he would have self destructed in the modern era.
And speaking of the Monarchs, would having Josh Gibson, Cool Papa, and Satchel in the bigs have been something.
The Negro League Museum is definitely on my bucket list.
Even the expansion debate opens up angles. Before expansion, pitching wasn’t watered down, but starters pitched 9. Advantage or disadvantage.
I could talk that shit all night.
It is what makes baseball so different from football really. Frank Gifford on tour for his book “The Greatest Game” recently said that football players today are so big and fast that basically most players from his era couldn’t play today. These arguments in baseball could go on all night. It is a game of numbers which ties generations together. It is because of those numbers that conversations like this take place. You are right that segregation, pitching specialization, and expansion just fuel the fire.
That’s what makes it the grand old game. Hell, I was bumming today because the Redbirds didn’t play, and it’s ST !
If you didn’t see this.
I’m sure the details are all over the papers and T.V. ( I saw it on ESPN ).
At Halftime of the Maryland NCAA Mens basketball game, a classic prank was perpetrated. They pulled a kid out of the stands, and told him he could win $500,000 if he made a shot from half court…..blindfolded.
The kid threw up a ball that missed the basket by 60 ft., but the crowd reacted as if it went in. The kid peeled off the blinfold and sprinted around the court like a maniac.
At center court, they presented him with the obligatory jumbo check, and the kid looked like he wanted to cry.
Then they told him. Priceless.
I haven’t seen that Lou. I can take a joke but the guy with the microphone is going down when I find out I didn’t really win the $500,000.
I’m sure it will be on ESPN and others tonight.
Yeah,that would of been my reaction, but you should see the kid N. E. R. D. The glasses, the clothes, the whole bit.
The ball was not only way wide, but woefully short.
Don’t worry if you miss it. It will be on YouTube by tomorrow,
Looking forward to that highlight.
Michael Kay on ESPN radio today was talking about the Yankee-USA game being the highest rated spring training game ever yesterday. Then he went on to mention that almost %10 of the stadium was empty. I wonder if the link Jrz posted last night to the ticket broker web site had anything to do with attendance yesterday?
I think 10% was J’s magic number, in fact!
I’m at home, just listening to that Lasorda clip finally. hahaha good stuff.
That Lasorda montage is outstanding.
Heyman at Dodger camp said the players are “giddy” now that Manny is signed. One player even told him that they had no shot without him. Now you know why the Dodgers were bidding against themselves.
I can’t figure that comment out. They were bidding against Boras, who deals only in the context of other deals.
The only other team in the mix were the Giants who were nowhere near the Dodgers offer.
Just as there weren’t any teams within $100 mill of the Yanks when A Rod opted out. That is bidding against yourself. Boras wasn’t taking him anywhere else.
I understand the logic of “bidding against themselves”, I just don’t believe that it’s the only factor. I don’t know what the other factors may be, but there has to be more to it than that. I wonder if you get “Boras points” redeemable for FA infielders.
Boras isn’t the be-all end-all that he once was. If that were still true he would have been able to get a better deal for Jason Varitek than the one he got with the Red Sox.
I think the factor was that the Dodgers were motivated buyers (they wanted him from the beginning of 2009) and Manny was a motivated seller (each succeeding bid was worse than the one before it). The market was worsening and Boras realized this was as good as it got. He could have had 2yrs/45mill plus team option for a third at 15. Now if he exercises his option in year 2 Manny gets 45 mill over 5 years. Clearly inferior to the earlier offer.
Then would you say that rather than Boras overplaying, the market just couldn’t bear what Boras would normally demand? Because that’s what I’m hearing. Boras has moved 3 +$10M contracts – off the top of my head that’s Ollie, Manny, and the Tex whopper.
Varitek not getting squat was Varitek’s doing. You don’t play the whole year healthy and have suck numbers on both offense and defense and expect to be compensated.
BTW I agree on all points you make except the Varitek one. I’m just postulating here.
Well he misjudged the market and therefore overplayed his hand by rejecting the Dodgers’ earlier offers. The Tex market was going to be there because he’s young and a consistent performer. Ollie came back to the Mets because there was no market for him at 4 years and that was the fallback option for him all along. The Mets saw it the same way from their perspective concerning Perez btw. They were each other’s “safety schools”.
My point with Varitek was a counterpoint to your “Boras points”. He was packaging him with his buddy Tex. The only team with even a remote interest in him was Boston because he is their captain and at this point a part time catcher. This nonsense that he would get Varitek a higher offer than what he wound up with is silly.
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